New G5 camera firmware V5.7.19 build 241207 available on some product pages
They have added a new selection checkbox, but only for VCA Smart Events-Rule-Detection Target, called "Others".
This is unfortunately missing from Motion Detection event configuration...
Testing for the moment but for more than an hour of timeline, this firmware also does not pass the Motion VCA data from "Enable Dynamic Analysis for Motion" to the NVR. Not even for Human on NXI-K...
Human Detection for Smarts Events seems OK on both, Normal and Event Playback search by Rules
This is unfortunately missing from Motion Detection event configuration...
Testing for the moment but for more than an hour of timeline, this firmware also does not pass the Motion VCA data from "Enable Dynamic Analysis for Motion" to the NVR. Not even for Human on NXI-K...
Human Detection for Smarts Events seems OK on both, Normal and Event Playback search by Rules
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I just headed here to report that additional 'others' selection in Smart Events' but you beat me to it. I wonder what the purpose is for that box.
Previously if you didn't select Human and/or Vehicle ALL line crossing events would be sent. Do we think that this has now changed so that at least one box must be selected for line crossing to work at all?
The other thing I've never messed around with is Advanced Configuration > False Alarm Filtering. I'm not sure what difference there is between selecting 'General Scene' or 'Distant View'
They [Hikvision] never seem to update the 'online help' file in the firmware to reflect new features.
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I don't know if they read our posts...
Others, as I believe, means ALL, as you mention above.
What I have noticed till now, two hours of timeline, there are no "others" even at Smart Events, where Human detection is OK and perfect. I'll go on testing to check if that's my fault...
I do see regions on my NVR. I can't remember since when!!! Home screen(Target detection tab beside Channel) and Search tab.
I just believe all issue is a matter of Sensitivity. Not the percentage kind of Sensitivity, but a real Sensitivity. The one VCA sensitivity that can be seen on iVMS4200 for Smart search
"Enable Dynamic Analysis for Motion" is not working at all since v5.7.17.
Others, as I believe, means ALL, as you mention above.
What I have noticed till now, two hours of timeline, there are no "others" even at Smart Events, where Human detection is OK and perfect. I'll go on testing to check if that's my fault...
I do see regions on my NVR. I can't remember since when!!! Home screen(Target detection tab beside Channel) and Search tab.
I just believe all issue is a matter of Sensitivity. Not the percentage kind of Sensitivity, but a real Sensitivity. The one VCA sensitivity that can be seen on iVMS4200 for Smart search
"Enable Dynamic Analysis for Motion" is not working at all since v5.7.17.
Set now to 0 for both Human and Vehicle and also disabled AcuSearch. Metadata all enabled
Go on testing....
Prior to update, Human and Vehicle were enabled, after update H and V were disabled so that to have all events "Other" than Human.
Going back to v5.7.15 ........
- This is Motion VCA search(by Rule) before(v5.7.15) and after(v5.7.19) update. There are no Motion after 10:35am. Not even the Human at 11:48am
- This is Motion non VCA search before(v5.7.15) and after(v5.7.19) update. There is no Motion files before because Human and Vehicle is enabled. There is Motion after 10:35am, but that's because this is not the results of a search by drawing rules, it is the files that are created when Notify Surveillance Center is enabled and Human Vehicle disabled. This is also the files that can be found by using the Search tab on NVR GUI.
- This is Intrusion VCA Search(by Rule) before(v5.7.15) and after(v5.7.19) update. The are no Intrusion markers except those that is Human at 11:48am.
Going back to v5.7.15 ........
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Totally unacceptable....I expect a further update 3 months from now will give the same results.
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Unfortunately Hikvision are completely unaware of these posts. The fault gets reported:
- end user to installer
- installer to supplier
- supplier to regional support engineer (first line)
- support engineer to team leader
- team leader to Hikvision HQ
Yes I know. But this meaningless "Others" option in Event Configuration makes me a bit suspicious ....
One thing that I made a mistake on my previous post, is that event Rules(on Pictures), red regions and red targets, are visible only with firmware v5.7.19 and not with v5.7.15.
In fact, the Rules on saved pictures, Search tab or Home screen Target detection tab beside Channel, are visible only if Metadata are enabled on Camera configuration(Overlay Rule Frame and Target Frame on Background Picture) and are not parsed directly from the Stream Data by which should be normaly parsed.
This is very strange because the NXI-K NVR is a Hikvision make, uses the Hikvision protocol, the cameras are not added by ONVIF on the NVR and in general they are not added on third-party NVR or VMS that needs to parse the metadata stream(the one that describes the normal stream data).
Triggered by above, I decided to add the camera as ONVIF.
The Motion detection search by rules was working perfectly!!! The Smart Events did not.
Added the camera as Hikvision RTSP port 554. Stream was OK but events were not. Either Motion or Smart.
It is as if the NVR is treated by the cameras with new firmwares after v5.7.17, as a non Hikvision NVR that is not using the Hikvision protocol.
This is also a known issue for most of us, that Show/Hide VCA data does not work at all for Playback on NVR but it works on iVMS4200.
I start to believe that they test their firmwares only on DeepinMind iDS NVRs and that they are the only ones 100% compatible with Acusense and ColorVU cameras.
In fact, the Rules on saved pictures, Search tab or Home screen Target detection tab beside Channel, are visible only if Metadata are enabled on Camera configuration(Overlay Rule Frame and Target Frame on Background Picture) and are not parsed directly from the Stream Data by which should be normaly parsed.
This is very strange because the NXI-K NVR is a Hikvision make, uses the Hikvision protocol, the cameras are not added by ONVIF on the NVR and in general they are not added on third-party NVR or VMS that needs to parse the metadata stream(the one that describes the normal stream data).
Triggered by above, I decided to add the camera as ONVIF.
The Motion detection search by rules was working perfectly!!! The Smart Events did not.
Added the camera as Hikvision RTSP port 554. Stream was OK but events were not. Either Motion or Smart.
It is as if the NVR is treated by the cameras with new firmwares after v5.7.17, as a non Hikvision NVR that is not using the Hikvision protocol.
This is also a known issue for most of us, that Show/Hide VCA data does not work at all for Playback on NVR but it works on iVMS4200.
I start to believe that they test their firmwares only on DeepinMind iDS NVRs and that they are the only ones 100% compatible with Acusense and ColorVU cameras.
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Is there a chance that "Others" might be for our four-legged friends?
"Others" is an old Hikvision term. They use another one term but cannot remember now. Others was always a term also in iVMS4200 alarms
I suppose "Others" is everything else. Our four-legged friends, other wild four-legged animals, birds, drones, snakes, Human not identified as Human but a simple mass if camera is placed very high or because of bad lighting, another object that was thrown in our yard or door etc.
Some companies name this if it is specifically for pets as Pet Detection.
And what is the difference by not checking anyone of them? Not Human not Vehicle not Others? They note that "If the detection target is not selected, all the detected targets will be reported, including the human and vehicle."
I suppose "Others" is everything else. Our four-legged friends, other wild four-legged animals, birds, drones, snakes, Human not identified as Human but a simple mass if camera is placed very high or because of bad lighting, another object that was thrown in our yard or door etc.
Some companies name this if it is specifically for pets as Pet Detection.
And what is the difference by not checking anyone of them? Not Human not Vehicle not Others? They note that "If the detection target is not selected, all the detected targets will be reported, including the human and vehicle."
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Another example of different way of thinking and about the VCA sensitivity that I mentioned above and can be seen on iVMS4200 for Smart search:
With firmware v5.7.15
go
and you can adjust sensitivity.
The strange thing is that if sensitivity is Low(1), by drawing a small search grid on a specific part of your screen, where you know there is motion, then you see all tenths or hundreds of them on the timeline.
But if you select a large area or all the screen, then the previous found events are lost, even though the previous area is included on the new one area.
Now, if you set the sensitivity to Max(3) then a small grid or a full grid gives almost all same results.
The small search grid results are included on the large grid results on timeline.
I don't know if this is a bug of iVMS 4200 or a bug of camera firmware and Dynamic Analysis for Motion.
I have also mentioned this in the past, where on the NVR and iVMS Smart Search I could find more results when a Motion search grid covered 70-80% of screen, than a grid that covered 100% of screen.
This does not apply for Enable Line crossing detection or Enable Intrusion detection. When one of them is selected, the Sensitivity in VCA Config cannot be adjusted(it is fade)
I do not know if there is a relation with the issue we face on new firmwares 5.7.17 and afterwards
With firmware v5.7.15
go
- Remote Playback,
- Camera playback,
- Select date,
- Select your camera on NVR,
- Play your camera,
- Select VCA Search(lamp, not the one beside Vehicle an Human but the one on the Playback toolbar for the selected camera),
- Then Enable Motion Detection,
- Then VCA Config
and you can adjust sensitivity.
The strange thing is that if sensitivity is Low(1), by drawing a small search grid on a specific part of your screen, where you know there is motion, then you see all tenths or hundreds of them on the timeline.
But if you select a large area or all the screen, then the previous found events are lost, even though the previous area is included on the new one area.
Now, if you set the sensitivity to Max(3) then a small grid or a full grid gives almost all same results.
The small search grid results are included on the large grid results on timeline.
I don't know if this is a bug of iVMS 4200 or a bug of camera firmware and Dynamic Analysis for Motion.
I have also mentioned this in the past, where on the NVR and iVMS Smart Search I could find more results when a Motion search grid covered 70-80% of screen, than a grid that covered 100% of screen.
This does not apply for Enable Line crossing detection or Enable Intrusion detection. When one of them is selected, the Sensitivity in VCA Config cannot be adjusted(it is fade)
I do not know if there is a relation with the issue we face on new firmwares 5.7.17 and afterwards
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Well...it is sort of. Here is one of my DS-2CD2387G2-LU's on 5.7.19. It's an LU not an LSU/SL but it's shown in the screen as flashing alarm. The LSU/SL model also shows the same 'flashing alarm' but has a means to adjust the frequency in the settings:
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@maionline, I've got several DS-2CD2387G2-LU's on 5.7.17 and "supplemental light" toggle is there - if that helps any.
Looks as though you have a new GUI. Is there a section for events when you log into the cameras ip address. It’s usually basic events/motion detection/linkage method
